Eviscerating a fundie

I have been getting a few new readers lately, posting their first comments which, as I’ve pointed out before, have to be moderated. As I recently blogged about, not all of these are very informative, on topic or lucid. Some just resort to insults, which for a first time visit is a little rude. Would you just walk up to some one you’ve never met and say “you are a fool”? Well Wolfsbane seems to think that is an OK introduction, as the following comment from him shows. (shown in it’s entirety, then broken down so I can address each part)

You people are fools ! Every single one of you ! You will all miss the snow in the UK, hell is a pretty hot place. Reason why you are fools: There is but no evidence, other than a dude who makes money from his opinion paid by people who believe in the same opinion, that God does not exist. You may argue, but their is little evidence to support that he does. Whether he does or not, why make a scene about it. Why do you people need to believe that he doesn’t. Will it make you feel better when looking at child pornography? Will it make you feel better when stealing or killing?

You are fools, cause you live like there is no God, but take to chance to find out that there is one, and what then? You’re screwed?

If you have the balls to attack christian faith, why not attack allah or buddha? You most prob scared after they bomb you! Christians won’t, right?

Understand, that you attack christians, because you are scared, and putting your faith in mere person, hoping he might know what he is talking about, just as I, might not know what i am talking about. You are weak, and looking for the easy way out.

I feel sorry for you people. Not willing to have responsibility for your own lives, and living someone else’s. Good for you, I am happy I don’t have sleepless night about fools.

Adios me foolish wanderers !

Well welcome to you to Wolfsbane, next time try and be a little more polite in your opening sentence. I’ll admit I’m a bit foolish sometimes but I think you are drawing a long bow calling all my readers fools. For a start if you are having a go at non-believers (not entirely clear who the “you people” is) then it may pay you to know that I get a few religious people who frequent this blog (some of them very nice people).

You will all miss the snow in the UK, hell is a pretty hot place.

Personally I won’t miss the snow in the UK as, in case you didn’t guess from the blog name, I live in Australia, so I don’t really miss snow anyway (though now you’ve mentioned it, it’s been a while since I last went skiing, may have to think about a holiday to the snow fields this year). I was in Adelaide last week, now that’s a pretty hot place and it’s real and exists, unlike your imaginary hell. Take note: trying to scare atheists with threats of non-existent places is really not much of a threat.

Reason why you are fools: There is but no evidence, other than a dude who makes money from his opinion paid by people who believe in the same opinion, that God does not exist. You may argue, but their is little evidence to support that he does.

Don’t know which ‘dude‘ you are talking about, but there wasn’t one person that made me think there is no evidence for any gods, it was my own intelligence, thinking and reasoning that made me think that way. I’ll admit people like the authors of all the books in my reading list (see sidebar) have been of assistance in my defining myself as an atheist and prompting me to be vocal about it. They have also provided me with clear and precise reasons why there is probably no god, but I don’t slavishly believe in all their opinions.

Whether he does or not, why make a scene about it. Why do you people need to believe that he doesn’t.

Atheists like myself and the countless other bloggers (see my blog roll page) “make a scene about it” because a large proponent of the religious community from all the varying sects/creeds/cults/versions spend way tooΒ  much time and money trying to influence the way the rest of the world behaves. There are many good reasons for doing what we do, but I’m not going to cover them again here. Atheists don’tΒ  “need to believe that he doesn’t” we just don’t accept that he does.

Will it make you feel better when looking at child pornography? Will it make you feel better when stealing or killing?

As for theΒ  “feel[ing] better when looking at child pornography” that is just plain insulting to myself and all other atheists, just because we see no evidence for any gods doesn’t automatically make us paedophiles (by the way have you checked how many catholic priests have been charged with paedophilia lately? pot calling kettle!). Same for the stealing and killing insult. Wolfsbane get off your high hobby-horse and appeals to godly moral authority, go have a read of some articles on morality (you can start with my FAQ 1 page) and find that humans developed morality all on their own in order to survive as a species, no requirements from any gods. Additionally if the fear of god is the only thing preventing you from stealing and murdering then I think you should get some professional psychiatric help.

You are fools, cause you live like there is no God, but take to chance to find out that there is one, and what then? You’re screwed?

Drop the Pascal’s Wager it just doens’t work.

If you have the balls to attack christian faith, why not attack allah or buddha? You most prob scared after they bomb you! Christians won’t, right?

If you’d paid any attention Wolfsbane, or bothered to read more than just one or two posts of mine, you’ll find I have “attacked” several different religious faiths in the past, and will again in the future if I consider it necessary. Go ask a few of the people who have been killed by Christians, such as some of the workers in abortion clinics that have been blown up by Christian extremists, if they think Christians won’t bomb them. Oops that’s right they are dead, killed by Christians. EPIC FAIL Wolfsbane.

Understand, that you attack christians, because you are scared,

Scared of what exactly? If anything we should be scared of the christians because we do “attack” them (only verbally mind you), because time and again the religious have demonstrated they don’t like being critiqued, and quite often the religious demonstrate their displeasure in a violent manner.

and putting your faith in mere person, hoping he might know what he is talking about,

WTF are you talking about? If you are trying to infer that atheists put their “faith” in one person then you are so grossly mistaken as to be laughable. Frankly most of the atheists I read do know what they are talking about, they are generally highly educated and have done their research. But there is no one person who is always right. If you are trying to infer I put my “faith” in humankind then you are right, becuase that is all we have. I would like to think humankind has a bright future and that through commonsence and decency we can all grow as a species, though sometimes I despair at what I see humankind doing to itself sometimes.

just as I, might not know what i am talking about. You are weak, and looking for the easy way out.

I strongly doubt you have a clue what you are talking about. Easy way out of what? I think it would be a lot more easy just to say ‘god did it’ and that I don’t need to take any responsibility for my actions because I can always ask god for his forgiveness.

I feel sorry for you people. Not willing to have responsibility for your own lives, and living someone else’s. Good for you, I am happy I don’t have sleepless night about fools.

And I feel sorry for you Wolfsbane, sorry that you are so misguided and deluded. Just mentioned this in previous statement, but as aetheists we don’t accept that there is any “higher supernatural authority” so we have to take responsibility for our own lives. Unlike religious people who can commit any sort of atrocity but as long as they ask for gods forgiveness they think they still get to go to heaven. Yeah lots of responsibility there….not!

Adios me foolish wanderers !

Adious to you Wolfsbane, I have a feeling that, like Jeffrey, you will never return, you are like a random drive by shooting. Pointless, dangerous, nasty and gutless. <sarcasm> Thanks for that final insult </sarcasm>

Like the previous one of these I wrote, Wolfbane’s comment has been left in my moderation queue (and will probably eventually be deleted as spam), I would prefer if Wolfsbane were to return that their next first comment might be a bit more polite, accurate, and to the point.

Oh, and I fixed the spelling mistakes in their comments. Why are so many of these fundies illiterate?

Feel free to continue my critique of Wolfsbanes comments, or just have your own rant about whatever you want, the likes of Wolfsbane, Jeffrey et al seem to think it’s OK to just drop in and rant so why don’t you all join in the fun? Consider comments on this post open to general ranting. πŸ™‚ but don’t make it too personal OK.

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21 responses to “Eviscerating a fundie

  1. Obligatory response

    Wolfsbane thinks we “fools” are going to hell

    Thanks to Matthew 5:22 he’ll probably be joining us

  2. “Adious to you Wolfsbane, I have a feeling that, like Jeffrey, you will never return, you are like a random drive by shooting. Pointless, dangerous, nasty and gutless. Thanks for that final insult ”

    Have to agree with you oz, lol just like a random drive by shooting!

    I don’t try to engage any of the religionistas in any kind of conversation any more, tried it quite a few times, and its just like talking to a brick wall, and equally as unsatisfying *smack* …but good on you for trying πŸ™‚

  3. Alice

    Gosh – I’m less offended by the content of wolfsbane’s rant than by the terrible syntatic muck he has made. The english laguage deserves to be used with respect and loving attention….er, that’s what I think, anyway.

    I wouldn’t bother refuting W, because the conversation game is only fun when the other players know the rules. Hence a prerequisite for worthwhile argument is that one’s opponent is at least mostly rational.

  4. “I would challenge to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!” β€” William Shakespeare

    The problem with eviscerating Wolfsbane is he really doesn’t make a lot of sense in the first place, so it takes the fun out of it. πŸ™‚ I find “hell and damnation” and “you’re a fool” rants to be counter-productive, as in “I’m going to hate and scare you into a loving relationship with God.”

    I am a Jesus follower, and find people trying to logic others into (or out of) Christianity just doesn’t work. It’s highly unusual for someone to just suddenly say, “Oh hey, you’re right. I will abandon my closely-held beliefs about who God is and adopt your position.”

    I read with interest your About Me & This Blog. I lived in Sydney for 3 years and was where you are about 10 years ago.

    Cheers mate!

  5. Lakafaith

    Hats off to yer mate!

    Takes a pretty thick skin to put up with all that christian love…

  6. @ Philippa, welcome.
    You are so right

    β€œOh hey, you’re right. I will abandon my closely-held beliefs about who God is and adopt your position.”

    even less chance when they (either side) use threats or ridicule.

  7. Well played sir, from a current Melburnian & ex-pat Adelaidean. You’re welcome at dangerousintersection.org anytime, or at my private hacienda: http://generalsystemsvehicle.blogspot.com.

    Wolfsbane’s rant/ejaculation/whatever it was entertained me quite a bit, as did your response. Made me jealous though – I don’t get mad, hilarious bastards like that contacting me or commenting, just common or garden American fundie atheist-hating evo-deniers who don’t even understand what the fuck it is they’re trying to debunk with their retarded circular arguments and presuppositionalism!

    And anyway, “Wolfsbane”? Bit of a woo-woo pagan-sounding name for an extremist fuck-knuckle innit?

    H

  8. Oh, and I fixed the spelling mistakes in their comments. Why are so many of these fundies illiterate?

    One could almost hear the chanting now…

    Home skooling werks the best.
    It be gooder then all the rest.

    πŸ™‚

  9. @ Jason, I’m starting to think you are a one trick pony πŸ™‚
    @ tteyes, glad you liked my ‘drive by shooting’ analogy. It came to me in a vision like a message from god. No, actually it just suddenly came to my mind, amazing how the mind works sometimes.
    @ Alice, do I detect a grammar nazi? lol. It does bug me that these people not only rant but rant using such incoherency. Get a spell checker dudes!
    @ Poodles, I see your headdesk and raise a facepalm πŸ™‚
    @ Lakafaith, blogging has made my skin quite thick, but I a use a good moisturiser to keep it smooth πŸ™‚
    @ Hank, give it time and the right post and you’ll have the loonies beating a path to your door. Yeah I wondered about the name too.
    @ raytheist, careful what you say there buddy, there’s quite a few atheist home-schoolers around including some that frequent this blog. you have been warned πŸ˜‰

  10. DB

    I have to admit that these douchebags are more fun when they act like this clown than when they try and “reason” with us. I swear to their god, if I hear another person say “you know, I used to be an atheist just like you until…”. Those patronizing assholes are the ones who piss me off.

  11. Alice

    Hey Phillipa, that quote is beautiful.
    Sometimes we can change our minds about deeply-held beliefs, otherwise how would we grow intellectually and ethically? But it is difficult, and I guess not everyone has the emotional and intellectual toolset required for effective self-examination.

    I sometimes think that good philosophy is like turning my mind and soul upside down and shaking them vigorously to see what falls out (and what stays put).

  12. @OzAtheist hard not to be a one-trick pony when the theists keep reusing the same tactics!

  13. Alice: true, we do need to challenge our beliefs, examine our doubts and inspect our faith system. Believers should acknowledge and wrestle with their doubts. And so should atheists/agnostics.

    IMHO (she says… preparing to be flamed into oblivion by this crowd :-)) atheists have faith. It’s not a faith in God, but it’s a faith or belief that your position is the correct one. I don’t think atheists can “prove” there isn’t a God any more than I can “prove” there is. It’s hard to justify any belief to those who don’t share the same, especially when there’s an experiential component to a relationship/faith in God. But hopefully there can be understanding and respect for each side, where we can disagree rather than denounce one another. I admit that it’s very easy for Christians to adopt a superior attitude and condemn (hell & damnation kind of stuff). But that’s not what Jesus’ message was about.

    So, respectfully, DB, I don’t like being called a douchebag, a clown or a patronizing asshole for my beliefs. Wolfsbane’s post is weird and I don’t agree with him, but don’t paint us all with the same brush.

  14. DB

    Respectfully, I don’t like to be told I am going to burn in hell and that I am a sinner by people who don’t know me. I don’t like to have Christian “values” and beliefs pushed on me by radical right wing Christians who claim they are doing god’s work. I don’t like to be told that I am not an American because I am not Christian. I don’t like the fact that Christians are fighting to remove good science from schools. I don’t like the fact that countless atheists are unable to come out to their families or work out of fear. Guess who does these things? Christians with agendas (as opposed to those who just live their faith without pushing it on others). I don’t dislike Christians as a whole (including my family and closest friends), but the ones who think it is their duty to demonize anyone who doesn’t think and look just like them. Recruiting is one thing, but it should stop when someone says ‘no thank you’. It shouldn’t go to the level of harassment for not being a Christian. I understand this isn’t Jesus’ message, but the fact remains that this is how conservative Christians conduct their faith in the US. Liberal Christians generally don’t. They seem to understand Jesus’ message.

  15. DB – we’ve hijacked this thread, mua ha ha ha…

    I agree with you 100%. I don’t live in your neighbourhood, state or even country, so I can’t comment on how it is for you. Sharing your hope and faith is one thing. Pushing, being judgmental, bible bashing, harassing or demonizing is another, and it’s unacceptable. That’s not showing love. Did you know that there’s a verse in the bible that actually says, “Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect”?

    I don’t think it comes down to liberal vs. conservative, but I have seen and can picture the stereotypes of both ends of the spectrum. I consider myself conservative in my beliefs, but I guess it’s how you live out and speak your beliefs? Dunno.

  16. DB

    Thread hijacking is fun! πŸ™‚

    In the US, imo, this debate comes down to liberal vs conservative (the religious right). Liberals tend to to be more humanistic and personal in their approach to their religion whereas conservatives tend to be more self-centered and always seeking political gain. They both claim to worship the same god, but somehow they interpret their beliefs and act upon them much differently.

  17. Dear Wolfsbane,

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA *gasp* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *wheez* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    *snort* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA *panting* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA

    with finger pointing, tears running down face, arm holding stomach

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

    sorry OzA. Too personal? πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜›

  18. seantheblogonaut

    After a very recent “debate” with a fool of a believer I came to the conclusion that arguing with a fool makes two fools.

    @Phillipa,

    I do think you are braodening the definition of Faith a little to wide :)I don’t have faith that my position is the right one. I examine the evidence and currently am of the position that there is none(credible) for the existance of the Christian God (or any other for that matter).

    From your comment I gather you have a personal experiental relationship with God?

  19. Jimmy

    Congratulations “Wolfsbane” at first I just thought troll but on second thoughts no way, this person is up there with that wacko Preacher Danny Nallah in Melbourne from “Catch the Fire Ministries” another Pentecostal extremist who blamed the Bush fires on the Victorian State Government for decriminalising Abortion.
    Just when I thought Intelligent Design was the craziest thing I’d ever heard the Pentecostals come to the rescue!

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